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2010-11-09 12:26

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362

Pointless rule-enforcement on CSdb

Okay, you all know how I like CSDb-drama, but usually I don't create any myself, but in this case Groepaz anal-ness about CSDb-rules simply forces me to:

Here's the story: We released the PAL/NTSC version of the NUFLI editor. It pretty much only included the new universal displayer, so we kept everything else the same. However, as I noticed on X while working on Electric's Tiger, it got somehow corrupted, meaning that it would CRASH and DESTROY your picture when you drew with sprites under certain circumstances. I notified Crossbow and he confirmed it and started working on a fixed version, which i tested extensively to make sure it's all A-ok (that's v1.12)

Okay, so I approached Groepaz and asked how to best solve the problem that there's a BROKEN version of our NUFLI editor on CSDb that actually DESTROYS images! I was really willing to play by the rules (=not deleting it and not stealthily replacing it with a fixed version), but whatever I suggested and did (renaming it to "Buggy-ed" so people wouldn't find it, using the "this file is corrupted" feature in the file dialogue), he said it's all not allowed and reversed anything I would try. Now I'm locked out of our own tool and can't edit it, great. Talking about admin power abuse... I dunno what his problem is seriously, sometimes he just loves to piss people off for no reason whatsoever...

Okay, so now there's still the broken v1.11 online which people can happily download. But why the FUCK would anyone want a broken version of a tool that DESTROYS your picture? This is not some 90% party version of a Demo, so what's the fucking point? Okay, so we released it corrupted, our bad. But should we be punished indefinately for it when we FIXED it meanwhile? And why can't I simply use the "this file is corrupted" feature? What's the point being anal about THAT, too? I mean - you CAN still download it and masturbate over a disfunctional c64 tool if that's your sexual preference, but at least you'll know it's br0ken! The *only* hint that it's broken is in the comments, which thank god GroeFaZ didn't delete...

Good v1.12: NUFLI Editor V1.12
Bad v1.11: NUFLI Editor V1.11 [broken]

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2010-11-12 21:00

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5028

A moderator topic would be nice where users and mods would discuss issues in an open way. The way things are now, is bad. There's almost no communication and no feedback. Mods seem to be masters of black magic, an open enviroment would be nice IMHO.

2010-11-12 21:24

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825

Oswald: just be as annoying, persisting and brainbugged as Deekay and you get your entries reverted, muxed up or can finally add/inside/the/archive/an/award/winning/message/to/the/directory/structure/to/po int/out/your/fuckup/a/little/better as well :)

2010-11-13 00:42

Devia

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401

Thank you Celtic.

...maybe the Trivia field could even be used as the Trivia field... nah... let's not go there.

2010-11-13 02:22

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362

Quoting Groepaz

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Again: There is NOTHING in the rules about how to properly use the "file corrupted" feature whinewhinewhinewhine

again: you asked wether you can rename the entry to "Buggy Editor". i seriously dont know why, because my answer should have been clear.

Hmm, then your memory serves you wrong. Cause your answer was anything but "clear". You obviously couldn't find any rule that objected to that and could just muster a meek "it's probably gonna get reverted"...

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you then renamed the entry anyway. and ofcourse that was reverted. then you appearently didnt really get the message and tried the same another time.

Again, your memory serves you wrong. I renamed it only once...

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OOOPS, and you put the moderator into nazi mode at the same time with great success.

Ohhh.... poor you! <:-) As if you hadn't been in Nazi mode right from the start! Are you actually denying that you did simply NOT try to find a compromise and weren't willing to help me out AT ALL?
If you actually claim that, i dare you to tell me what "solution" you offered me....

Saying "sorry" is obviously not even an option for you - EVER! I've known you for ages now and never ever remember you were willing to concede ANYTHING...

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you only ever came up with that weird idea of marking the file corrupted after that, and again simply ignored what has been told to you.

"what has been told to you"... Thank you, the verbiage alone is perfect proof of your stuck-up authoritarian approach on the whole matter! 8)

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sorry, but this is NOT how you work out a solution, and you really shouldnt whine now that no solution emerged from this.

Bullshit. "Oh, I'm the victim", bla bla bla. How often have I asked you just HOW i should solve this problem and asked you for help? It was this thread that helped fix the problem, if I had gone on merely asking you for help I could've waited until kingdom come to actually reach a solution...

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Yeah.. The fun flamewars (think: debate club!), not the ragwar kind! ;-)

LOOOOL. hahahaha. ok. so infact, you enjoy debating with 5 year old girls about the mental health of their puppets, not _actual_ flamewars =) if you cant make that clear, why dont you spell it out ?!

Yeah, you do know the real man's flamewars, do you? 8) What a nice admin you are...

P.S: Yeah, fuck you to, C0! <:-) I really wonder what I have ever done to you...

2010-11-13 02:29

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362

Celtic: I'm perfectly fine with how it is now, thanks! ;-) But it would be good for the future and would help avoid pointless arguments like this if admins were actively instructed to work with the users, not against them! <:-)

After all this great site is made by both parties, and we all profit from it, so what's the point of infighting?

2010-11-13 07:37

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5028

It would help the most if Groepaz would stop being a moderator. He continously shits into the fan.

2010-11-13 08:24

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

Groepaz, you should really reconsider your keeper-of-the-holy-grail attitude and your authoritary approach to these matters. From an admin to a site like this I expect a little more diplomatic skills.

2010-11-13 08:28

Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2896

I'm trying to understand why some people, generally the people that have problems with the rules or cry the most when they don't get their way, seem to think this website should be "open" and "we require more feedback and moderators should have less control", etc. etc.

If CSDb did change to this limp-wrist pansy manner of handling things nothing would get done here. We'd have public votes on everything (deadlock), all the crybabies would need a constant supply of clean diapers w/rash ointment, etc.

These rules aren't changing and I doubt Groepaz is going anywhere as moderator. He is doing a fine job -- far better than lots of moderators before him. It's clear some people here require kid-gloves, maybe the moderators should bring in a special "baby patrol" group of moderators who can specifically deal with these little girlie-men babies.

2010-11-13 10:10

GT
Account closed

Registered: Sep 2008
Posts: 308

Quote: I'm trying to understand why some people, generally the people that have problems with the rules or cry the most when they don't get their way, seem to think this website should be "open" and "we require more feedback and moderators should have less control", etc. etc.

If CSDb did change to this limp-wrist pansy manner of handling things nothing would get done here. We'd have public votes on everything (deadlock), all the crybabies would need a constant supply of clean diapers w/rash ointment, etc.

These rules aren't changing and I doubt Groepaz is going anywhere as moderator. He is doing a fine job -- far better than lots of moderators before him. It's clear some people here require kid-gloves, maybe the moderators should bring in a special "baby patrol" group of moderators who can specifically deal with these little girlie-men babies.

Rules are ok, you missed the point.
It's about communication with the mod. An angry grumpy mod it seems.

2010-11-13 10:26

GT
Account closed

Registered: Sep 2008
Posts: 308

@DeeKay. I'd be ashamed aswell if the SDI music editor would fill the memory with garbage, or formatting the disk image instead of loading. I feel with you. It should though, be marked as bugged, not broken. The file itself still works. Corrupted file tag is about a none working image or prg file, physically, and not bugs in the code.

Guys, learn to communicate. A company filled with C64 sceners would look rather funny, with Groepaz as the CEO. Hahaha, fail!

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