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2010-11-09 12:26

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362

Pointless rule-enforcement on CSdb

Okay, you all know how I like CSDb-drama, but usually I don't create any myself, but in this case Groepaz anal-ness about CSDb-rules simply forces me to:

Here's the story: We released the PAL/NTSC version of the NUFLI editor. It pretty much only included the new universal displayer, so we kept everything else the same. However, as I noticed on X while working on Electric's Tiger, it got somehow corrupted, meaning that it would CRASH and DESTROY your picture when you drew with sprites under certain circumstances. I notified Crossbow and he confirmed it and started working on a fixed version, which i tested extensively to make sure it's all A-ok (that's v1.12)

Okay, so I approached Groepaz and asked how to best solve the problem that there's a BROKEN version of our NUFLI editor on CSDb that actually DESTROYS images! I was really willing to play by the rules (=not deleting it and not stealthily replacing it with a fixed version), but whatever I suggested and did (renaming it to "Buggy-ed" so people wouldn't find it, using the "this file is corrupted" feature in the file dialogue), he said it's all not allowed and reversed anything I would try. Now I'm locked out of our own tool and can't edit it, great. Talking about admin power abuse... I dunno what his problem is seriously, sometimes he just loves to piss people off for no reason whatsoever...

Okay, so now there's still the broken v1.11 online which people can happily download. But why the FUCK would anyone want a broken version of a tool that DESTROYS your picture? This is not some 90% party version of a Demo, so what's the fucking point? Okay, so we released it corrupted, our bad. But should we be punished indefinately for it when we FIXED it meanwhile? And why can't I simply use the "this file is corrupted" feature? What's the point being anal about THAT, too? I mean - you CAN still download it and masturbate over a disfunctional c64 tool if that's your sexual preference, but at least you'll know it's br0ken! The *only* hint that it's broken is in the comments, which thank god GroeFaZ didn't delete...

Good v1.12: NUFLI Editor V1.12
Bad v1.11: NUFLI Editor V1.11 [broken]

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2010-11-09 17:03

The Communist

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485

Dear Deekay, this stupid nazi-comparisons annoy. Try to get help to get your nazi paranoia cured please.

2010-11-09 17:40

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1047

yay for csdb drama \o/

seriously though, a nice compromise would've been to edit the release title: "nufli-editor v1.11" would become "nufli-editor v1.11 (broken)", and then a goof explaining it.
also, if I search for a nufli editor, I will get multiple hits, including the latest and greatest version. I'd be a jackass if I didn't download the latest version.

csdb archives releases and once a release is released, it cant be unreleased. hence the rules on here.
groepaz is right in enforcing the rules, but the mods could at least work out a doable compromise, instead of just saying "NO! Rules are Rules!"

my 3 cents

edit: errrm, seems I didnt read the whole thread (yes really), you boys are just as smart as me lol

2010-11-09 20:33

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825

Pointless thread.

Release fail - plain and simple.

2010-11-09 21:52

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

Yeah Crest fucked up and now its on the record. Man up and live with it.

PS : I want to see that demo about the bug. with gfx made in the buggy editor version !! HARHARHAR!

:-D

2010-11-09 22:35

Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2896

wares people vs. demo people

2010-11-10 00:01

SIDWAVE
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

The solution is this:

1 single entry for a release, then:

<toolname> <version>

Obsolete versions:

tool v1.11
tool v1.0
tool v0.9

if tool 1.12 latest, get replaced by 1.13,
then 1.12 moves into the obsolete list.

now be a real moderator, and if the creator dont code the interface and modify and develop the site, then you do that, or get someone to.

a site that runs in 10 year old design, and has no maintainer, other than moderator, is a disfunctional site.

2010-11-10 00:03

SIDWAVE
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238

to say it in the most proper way:

this problem, and many many others, is just a symptom of, that csdb is not being updated and developed, in tune with time and growing needs.

solution: make CSDB 2.0

2010-11-10 07:07

Perplex

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 254

Quoting rambones

solution: make CSDB 2.0

Indeed. When you've finished it, be sure to let us know.

2010-11-10 07:19

The Communist

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485

Rambones: Do you take the time to read everything in this thread ? I don think so. Otherwise you would have found the remarks of Celtic which say: "Due to some personal issues perff wont be back for a while, but when he does i will ask him about versioning :)"

2010-11-10 10:36

DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362

Quoting Burglar

yay for csdb drama o/

seriously though, a nice compromise would've been to edit the release title: "nufli-editor v1.11" would become "nufli-editor v1.11 (broken)", and then a goof explaining it.

Well, like said, changing the Title (so people don't find it anymore) was the first thing I tried. It got reversed without any comment - even though there's no rule saying you can't edit the title to your heart's content! Now I've added "broken" to it, which seems to be okay. I've even told Groepaz that I'll be changing the title since there's no rule against that, but it got reversed anyway... One *could've* mailed/talked to me to work out what kind of renaming would be considered appropriate (remember: there IS no rule!), but it's pretty obvious that de-escalation or finding an actual compromise was never even on the menu in this whole matter... I don't know how often I've tried to work something out on IRC, all to no avail...

Quote:

also, if I search for a nufli editor, I will get multiple hits, including the latest and greatest version. I'd be a jackass if I didn't download the latest version.

Well, f.ex. I don't like the new versions of the Faces Font Editor made.. I want the original thing, cause that's what I'm used to! Also, like mrsid pointed out, the old one has a higher rating! ;-)

P.S: Looky what I found in the rules (7.1, which deals with replacing files!) when I searched for rules about changing release names: "(this rule does not apply to replacing broken files with working ones, obviously we hope)" 8)))

P.P.S: Communist, please google "GröFaZ", i beg you! <:-) So much for "Nazi paranoia"! ;-D *I* only went with it!....

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