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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
About "pre-sorting" demos: In 2016 when the compo started with Bonzai we in Mayday! thought they forgot our demo XD |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Quoting KrillQuoting TDJRaistlin, the order was based on the size of the entries. Seems like a good proxy for amount of content (size after compression, i take it). Can of course be trolled with some random bits. =) yes, the demo compo was sorted by entropy. It took me a total of 0.291 seconds to sort the entire demo compo. All other compos are randomized. I call it the burg-method :)
I am extremely happy how it turned out, zero reason to change it, so I won't :)
It was sorted by Entropy? The group Wile Coyote used to be part of? So it seems he actually does have some kind of influence on the X-organizers .. All of a sudden I'm taking his suggestions a lot more serious! |
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Youth
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 41 |
I hope that, like for me, the demoscene is about creativity and cooperation and competition is only a tiny little aspect of that. Any rules that limit the flowing of that juicy creativity would really be a shame. And putting people in categories of skills is something we left behind a long time ago right? There are no real lamers anymore. Only friends and mutual respect, no matter how skilled you are.
Maybe it is easy for me to say because I am not competitive by nature, but I can hardly believe that people in the scene put those ridicilously long hours into this art to win an award. I am sure they make art for art's sake, why on earth would we put limitations on art? |
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Boogaloo
Registered: Aug 2019
Posts: 21 |
Quote: I hope that, like for me, the demoscene is about creativity and cooperation and competition is only a tiny little aspect of that. Any rules that limit the flowing of that juicy creativity would really be a shame. And putting people in categories of skills is something we left behind a long time ago right? There are no real lamers anymore. Only friends and mutual respect, no matter how skilled you are.
Maybe it is easy for me to say because I am not competitive by nature, but I can hardly believe that people in the scene put those ridicilously long hours into this art to win an award. I am sure they make art for art's sake, why on earth would we put limitations on art?
This! This! This! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5029 |
Quote: Just hand in the demo _after_ the compo like I did with Drinking Buddies at previous X. :D (Tbh I accidentally placed it in the wrong category and had to beg for it to be shown).
:D |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 467 |
e^(Youth) (+1 was not enough ;) ) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
As for ordering in a compo, i find it MUCH more enjoyable to watch if its not just a random mashup but has some sort of buildup. It has been common practise on many (even most?) parties for a while, and it works nicely. Totally random sucks. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1381 |
Three cheers for the burg-method!
Quoting TDJIt was sorted by Entropy? The group Wile Coyote used to be part of? So it seems he actually does have some kind of influence on the X-organizers .. All of a sudden I'm taking his suggestions a lot more serious!
:D :D :D |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
It is a human quality that people who feel excluded demand to be acknowledged by some existing organization of prestige and tradition. Sometimes there are deep moral and basic rights issues which do have to be discussed, but in my opinion the solution in most cases is obvious.
Set up an organization and rules of your own, you'll get what you want and others might even support that. New religions and nations have born this way. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting MixerSet up an organization and rules of your own, you'll get what you want and others might even support that. New religions and nations have born this way. Sounds romantic, but i guess that bit with fighting, violence and war should not be ignored in that context. =) |
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