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2024-02-13 22:34
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
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NMI delay

How much is an NMI delayed if triggered during IRQ-setup?
 
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2024-02-14 17:38
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Quoting Martin Piper
To really get an answer to this the PLA ROM needs to be understood.
Please don't call it PLA. It's not programmable, it's just a ROM. =)
2024-02-14 18:17
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1995
Quote: Quoting Martin Piper
To really get an answer to this the PLA ROM needs to be understood.
Please don't call it PLA. It's not programmable, it's just a ROM. =)


The LA. :)
2024-02-14 18:26
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Quoting JackAsser
The LA. :)
Lookup array. Basically table. =)
2024-02-15 00:18
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 647
Quote: Quoting Martin Piper
To really get an answer to this the PLA ROM needs to be understood.
Please don't call it PLA. It's not programmable, it's just a ROM. =)


"it's actually a PLA"
https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/15227/why-di..
2024-02-15 00:30
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Quoting Martin Piper
"it's actually a PLA"
https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/15227/why-di..
So, well, it's programmable (by whoever edits a mask and re-runs production), but not field programmable... essentially the same technology as ROM. Ooookay. :)

Easy counter: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5825/what-is-th.. =)
2024-02-15 00:35
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 647
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_logic_array

"the original 6502 chip contained a PLA"

It's obviously not a full ROM.
2024-02-15 00:45
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11154
That's simply wrong. It's a decode ROM, no more, no less. (And yes, what Krill said. Its not a traditional ROM, sure. Its a logic array. And that kind of thing is usually called decode ROM - not PLA. PLA is programmable, not mask edited.)
2024-02-15 00:57
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 647
Quote: That's simply wrong. It's a decode ROM, no more, no less. (And yes, what Krill said. Its not a traditional ROM, sure. Its a logic array. And that kind of thing is usually called decode ROM - not PLA. PLA is programmable, not mask edited.)

Wrong. The PLA in the 6502 is sparse. A full ROM maps every single output. The 6502 PLA saves space compared to a full ROM.

It's why we have illegal opcodes.

https://www.pagetable.com/?p=39
2024-02-15 01:01
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11154
You don't have to copypaste me the ill informed stuff that you found on reddit.

FPLA is a synonym for the (modern) FPGA btw - and has zero to do with the oldschool "PLA".

(yes, please inform me about how illegal opcodes work, i always wanted to know)
2024-02-15 01:19
Martin Piper

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 647
Quote: You don't have to copypaste me the ill informed stuff that you found on reddit.

FPLA is a synonym for the (modern) FPGA btw - and has zero to do with the oldschool "PLA".

(yes, please inform me about how illegal opcodes work, i always wanted to know)


Wrong again.
Look at the chip layout, it's obviously a PLA, not a full ROM.

http://www.visual6502.org/JSSim/expert.html?nosim=t&panx=110.5&..
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